
Are you constantly surprised by the things that you discover?
Remember I spend two hours every day in meditation. It's like a habit for me. And then when I go every two months for a week of silence in the wilderness, it's a week of no contact with human beings or even a book. So I'm pretty used to being in a place where insights keep coming. And I feel more comfortable in that experience than I feel in [indicates the table between us] you know, every day life. Although I'm integrating the two.
How hard is that integration for you?
I don't know. I don't get tired. I don't get sick. I don't have any anxieties. I have a good time even on a hectic tour of 21 cities: I enjoy it. But there's a part of me that's not involved. You know, it's like my body and my mind are doing it and I'm still... [spreads his hands in a peaceful, contemplative gesture].
How much do you believe that physics are a part of spirituality?
A lot. I mean, I saw the article in The [Vancouver] Sun. And they've got some comments from some professor of physics and astronomy from Hawaii or something. He says that consciousness has nothing to do with quantum physics. I'd love to debate a guy like that. I don't know where these journalists -- sorry: you're a journalist, but -- where they find these guys, because the best quantum physicists -- and they are friends. I mean, I have the head of the Max Planck Institute at my center every month. There's no bigger place for quantum physics in the world than the Max Planck Institute in Germany. And I have Amit Goswami who is a professor of physics at Oregon State University and Nick Herbert: I can name 20 quantum physicists who have written hundreds of papers on the relationship between quantum physics and consciousness. So when I read a quote like that, it's almost laughable.
A guy like that -- the fellow they mentioned -- I'd love to do a public debate with people like that, you know?
Has that ever happened? Where people have debated you in public?
Rarely. But I'd like to because, you know, the fact is to me it's shocking that some quantum physicists don't know their quantum physics.
When talking about God, the challenge for a lot of people is in getting the traditional images out of their heads. As you said earlier: the dead white male in the sky. I think perhaps you're trying to move towards a more encompassing model of God.
Try and have this image: here's one planet, called planet Earth. And even in our own galaxy, it's a speck of dust. There are thousands of stars -- millions of stars -- with planetary systems with specks of dust like ours. This galaxy is part of millions of other galaxies and even as we speak, there are giant stars exhausting their thermonuclear energy, collapsing into singularities and exploding through time warps and space time warps into other universes. For us to say that some guy 2000 years ago [who] lived in Palestine is in charge of all this... or some other guy who lived in Arabia 2000 years ago or India or whatever. I mean, really, we are limiting God. It's not justice to God to limit God into the volume of a body or the span of a lifetime or an ethnic background.
So [the traditional image of God] is a facile, childish image?
Totally. Three philosophical arguments are used to support the idea of God: The first is the so-call ontological argument which says the fact that we think about God means there must be a God because otherwise our nervous system wouldn't be able to conceive a God.
Remember I spend two hours every day in meditation. It's like a habit for me. And then when I go every two months for a week of silence in the wilderness, it's a week of no contact with human beings or even a book. So I'm pretty used to being in a place where insights keep coming. And I feel more comfortable in that experience than I feel in [indicates the table between us] you know, every day life. Although I'm integrating the two.
How hard is that integration for you?
I don't know. I don't get tired. I don't get sick. I don't have any anxieties. I have a good time even on a hectic tour of 21 cities: I enjoy it. But there's a part of me that's not involved. You know, it's like my body and my mind are doing it and I'm still... [spreads his hands in a peaceful, contemplative gesture].
How much do you believe that physics are a part of spirituality?
A lot. I mean, I saw the article in The [Vancouver] Sun. And they've got some comments from some professor of physics and astronomy from Hawaii or something. He says that consciousness has nothing to do with quantum physics. I'd love to debate a guy like that. I don't know where these journalists -- sorry: you're a journalist, but -- where they find these guys, because the best quantum physicists -- and they are friends. I mean, I have the head of the Max Planck Institute at my center every month. There's no bigger place for quantum physics in the world than the Max Planck Institute in Germany. And I have Amit Goswami who is a professor of physics at Oregon State University and Nick Herbert: I can name 20 quantum physicists who have written hundreds of papers on the relationship between quantum physics and consciousness. So when I read a quote like that, it's almost laughable.
A guy like that -- the fellow they mentioned -- I'd love to do a public debate with people like that, you know?
Has that ever happened? Where people have debated you in public?
Rarely. But I'd like to because, you know, the fact is to me it's shocking that some quantum physicists don't know their quantum physics.
When talking about God, the challenge for a lot of people is in getting the traditional images out of their heads. As you said earlier: the dead white male in the sky. I think perhaps you're trying to move towards a more encompassing model of God.
Try and have this image: here's one planet, called planet Earth. And even in our own galaxy, it's a speck of dust. There are thousands of stars -- millions of stars -- with planetary systems with specks of dust like ours. This galaxy is part of millions of other galaxies and even as we speak, there are giant stars exhausting their thermonuclear energy, collapsing into singularities and exploding through time warps and space time warps into other universes. For us to say that some guy 2000 years ago [who] lived in Palestine is in charge of all this... or some other guy who lived in Arabia 2000 years ago or India or whatever. I mean, really, we are limiting God. It's not justice to God to limit God into the volume of a body or the span of a lifetime or an ethnic background.
So [the traditional image of God] is a facile, childish image?
Totally. Three philosophical arguments are used to support the idea of God: The first is the so-call ontological argument which says the fact that we think about God means there must be a God because otherwise our nervous system wouldn't be able to conceive a God.
Deepak Chopra - interview